thanks for all the point of veiws out there. im still undicided about what to do, if browning and federal would link up to put an a-bolt in .338 fed togather i would already know what im getting. i like the 308 win because if im out west in some back woods place, and lose, forget, shoot my ammo a local hardwear store, gas station ect. would have something for me. im not a " long range" shooter, id rather get closer and hunt than shoot from 400 yards and kill. just my pref. and it IS shot placement that kills not speed and newnes. and i dont know why i like my brownings so much, mabe it was the year riding around Iraq behind a M-2 browning 50cal, she never let me down when my ass was on the line. so im probly at 60% for the 308win and 40% for the 300WSM. thanks to all.