LaxDad, First off, I guess I'm one of the Chest thumpers, because I use # of point's, and P&Y score to explain the size of a Buck I have killed or have seen all the time, it is a means to explain the size of the Buck that is widely excepted in the Bowhunting Community. It is not ment to offend anyone, or to makethem feel like less of a bowhunter. I have been lucky enough to hunt from MI to MD, MD to GA, GA to KY, KY to KS, and back to MI with most state's in between, and I can tell you this, You can't kill Big Buck's were Big Buck's don't live! So my standards change from state to state. My standards are differnt than my 71 year old neighbor, We both hunt on public hunting land right by the house, He tag's out (2 Tag's) every year on anything from spikes to 7 pt's, were I have filled 3 tags in the past 10 seasons on 130 gross class Buck's. He (has never killed a 130 class Buck) is 100% on Deer he set his standards at, were I'm only around 30%, even though I passed up shots on 7 Buck's that did not meet my standards this year. Is he a better deer hunter than I am? I personaly don't believe anyone can answer that Question. I know Fred Bear was a Great Bowhunter and no way would I consider myself in his class of Bowhunter, But I can also tell you that Fred's Biggest whitetail Buck does not meet my standards, were Deer Hunting is concerned!!! So Fred is my example of a great Bowhunter. But you were talking about Deer so my Definition of a Great Deer Hunter would be, someone that can travel to any part of the country and harvest an exceptional Buck for that AREA. You said Great, not successful, or good!!