TFOX my post wasnt referering to prefference.....Yea of course nobody likes the same grip, or draw cycle. Im talkin about noise and vibration. Ive actually heard it said that the guardian is no quiter than an allegaince,tribute or drenalinfrom many people and just want to put that to rest. Because I almost ruled the guardian out and narrowed it down to the tribute or vectrix because Id shot both and really liked the vectrix. I will actually agree that the grip at first has that feel that makes you wonder if your grabbing the same place twice, but I shoot with my pinky and ring finger folded in on the side of the grip. Woks for me because no matter what grip i always grab the same place every time and have yet to come across a grip that its caused torque on. This wasnt supposed to be a bowtech vs Hoyt thread. Just wanted to say that ive shot most of the 07 bigname bows and so far nothing is quiter or more vibration free from my experiences. Take it for what its worth.