I've shot trap with an 870 since I was 10 years old. I have my Grandfathers 870 and I hunt wabbits with it. I have never in my natural life ever heard anyone say that the 870 was junk..... The new express is not a step up from the old wingmasters but Junk? C'mon...... Then, to quote that the ever so timid 835 is more reliable..... I think all my grandfathers just rolled in ther graves....