ultimag has it right...thats supposed to be the best combo out there in ALOT of guns. ive never heard ANYONE complain about it...except cost..thats REALLY if money is no object.

i myself didnt wanna spend that kinda cash. i too have a remington 870 12 870 express mag turkey gun. came with the extended super full or extra full choke(i cant recall) it shot alright..but not good enough for me. i just wanted density..not a 50yd slug pattern from turkey shot. i bought an HS Undertaker Hevishot tube and remington 3inch heavy shot loads. patterns were amazing. IMO a perfect pattern. nice and dense...tight but not everly tight. i dont remember pulling the trigger on any spring bird. one killed itself by walking into the pattern and i got lucky. the other i dont even remember lining up a bead or recoil or the gun going off lol. something about spring birds do that to me. so saying i would aim my super duper tight fist sized pattern like a rifle is not true. i havent shot a bird yet with the hevishot/undertaker..but itll rock them..thats for sure. extended my range ALOT as well as gave me a nice dense tight pattern..for about 50$ or so...

also..figured id mention it. i fired many other lead and copper plated lead turkey loads through it and they all patterned 100% better than before and i wouldnt hesitate to hunt with any of them if i didnt have hevi shot