Thanks DC, GT, and others for the offer. I won't put you out but thanks!!! I talked with Germs buddy for quite awhile today and went ahead and ordered his book. He is not in any retail stores right now except for Cabelas in Dundee,MI. He hopes to be in the Barnes and Noble and other book stores in the next couple of weeks.He sounds like a knowledgeable guy and was quite personable to B.S. with.The Wenzels come to the IA deer classic often and speak and put on seminars but I have never sat in on one.They actually moved from Montana to IA simply for the whitetail hunting our state offers. My wife is going to stop by Barnes and Noble and see if she can get one of their books. You can never learn or knowtoo much about deer hunting mature whitetails andI have plenty of time on my hands. It gets old watching 5 minutes of hunting on these hunting shows and 25 minutes of advertising. I watched American Archer yesterday and the entire show was an infomercial for scentlok.[:@]