Sorry Mark, I just reread my post. When I said this sucker was in there like welded steel, I meant, the sabot. I had no problem taking out the breech plug. I usually coat that thing good with knight breech grease. Thanks for the reply. I think these HP sabots are meant for 150gr powders or the smokeless jobs. But one think I have noticed. With friends with very loose barrels or ones you can get the projectile down the barrel with ease like my buddy with his traditions, his accuracy is very inconsistent. But with barrels like mine that you got to clean every shot to get these sabots down, accuracy is outstanding. So maybe I shouldn't be complaining.