when i started bowhunting in 1982 i would go to my wooden stand and be there an hour before damn and stay till an hour after dark....one day bout an hour after sunrise i had a real bad pushing issue that just had to be taken care of....being a newbie my first year and didn't even have any deer under my belt yet and really knew nothing i dropped a log off my tree stand and an hour later i shot this guy at 9 yards cutting the artaries off the top of his heart and seen him drop within 25 yards....so i guess it didn't bother him..................bob