I meant nothing by it. I meant that the inexperienced one got the TC and the experienced got the CVA. He was saying that most inexperienced people get the CVA's soI was throwing out a different theory. I think just as many experienced people get the CVA's. They just sell more so it seems that more newbies get 'em. Most people I know would have started on that Apex and finally gotten the Omega. The belief is held by many that it's top of the line. If your belief is contrary then it's fine by me. Whatever pleases yourself. I was just offering an angle.