LBR - first trad deer (only) I killed was with that 52# longbow, same weighted carbons and a 3 blade Thunderhead. Double lung, and though I didn't pass through I punhced one side and almost punched through the other, 18 yards.

For certain my arrows SHOULD have hit 4-5" lower than what they did, however, I've been around bowhunting and hunting long enough to recognize what SHOULD have been a solid hit - that deer I hit in KS was a DEAD DEER with an arrow that had more power behind it, I'm 100% certain and sure of it. How it didn't have enough as it was leads me to think I dead centered a high rib bone, this was a 250#-275# KS whitetail, angled down shot ....... its high rib bones stopped my arrow. I'm certain an arrow with more power would have broke through.

And so the DAS is on the way - 56# instead of 52# which will help, recurve instead of longbow which will help, and I'll go up into the 600-625 grain range instead of 525 grains, which will help. Just trying to minimize the things that can go wrong, making adjustments best I can you know ?