O.k., we just gone done shooting a little bit ago, and I'm kinda thinking about selling my black ice. That kodiak is sooooooooo smooth and absolutely NOOOO vibration. It makes my black ice feel like an air hammer. Don't get me wrong, the black ice is smooth. The only drawback, for me, is the kodiak needs a bit more valley. This is my buddy's first bow ever. After about a dozen shots he got a robin hood. I have never actuallywitnessed this, till today. Needless to say, I'm a bit jealous cause I've been shootin for a few years and the only robin hood I'll ever get is w/a vice and a hammer.