bigpapa...To answer your question, although I handload and most of my rifles had never had a factory load run through them, I venture to say that there ain't a black bear or a hog on earththat would travel very far after being shot in the ribs with a 140 grain 7mm coreloct from a 7mm08 ( or a 7 x 57, OR a .280 rem, OR a 7mm Rem mag. etc. etc.)....Same goes for most anything else, including dinosaurs and grizzly bears..It's just that for the stuff that might eat you or trample you , you might want something with a little more punch, just in case...