Germ..thats not a bad theory!! i'll go with that. both of the areas i noticed them i know the bigger bucks been killed. kinda sad that 2 4pts took over but this years 4pt should be a nice one next year! rub away little buddies...i got sharp muzzys waitin for ya! that does make sense though...establishing THEIR territory and showing dominance ect while they still have head gear.

how about scrapes this time of year? when i was at my buddies camp i found a couple scrapes i believe were new. all had fresh tracks and scat all around and one i could smell..i think we pushed him off that scrape there was freshly kicked up leaves coming off the scrape like we kicked him up..think the scrapes are the same deal?? or just still searching for does that may be in esterus or what?