Germ, I knew what you were talking about, and understand your method of Hunting where you are completly. I was just razzing on ya a little for the way you explained it. And Jeff it sounds like your ken folk is a pretty smart fella, which was a point I was trying to make on previous post, these things arn't magic, it takes some experience or knowledge on the users part to be successful, you can't just wounder out in 10,000 acres of forest slinging piss, and blowing yanke doodle dandy and expect toscore. In my case, I can tell Davidmill% rate is about 99% off, when a deer is out of your shooting lane and has past you, or crossing a 150 yards out headed in another direction, and I hit the grunt call, and thay stop,Look in the direction the call come from, make a intensional change of direction, and walk up under my stand looking, and I shoot them, that is an intensional act and not an accident!!! Several Bucks I have run into going to my stand and made eye contact with, Blew, and were in the process of getting the he!! out of dodge, when I would blow back and stop them, then call them back in bow range, an accident? I don't think so!