thanks for all the replys.. we went to basspro an looked at a few cross bows he is looking at this excaliber but gosh didnt know it was 1,600 dollars lol.. well he wants that one i have no idea what the name is beside excaliber but he loves it.. he was is always looking at the years he can have with it.. if he is lucky he will get out maybe once or twice a month to go hunting. an thats the only thing stoping him from getting the bow or telling me if he wants it for sure or not. but the excaliber we was looking at has a rifle scope crank an 4 arrows i think a 10 point like i said im not to sure i know nothing about cross bows. but im sure their is other bows out their he would like to.. How about the horton 1200 or what ever the number is? is that a good bow? my buddie has one an i shot it today an it shoots great but alittle vibration in it make my arms tingle.. an im sure my father dont want that.. but besides the excaliber any have any other nice bows inmind? i was on ebay looking at some crossbows an i showed him a paper of one that is for sale an its a Phonix or what ever year is 2006 an they want 700 for it only shot 7 or 8 times so what do you think it looks alittle older then 2006 but i could be wrong.. so please let me know your guy's opinion thank!