Excals Exocet 200 or Phoenix would be good choices with the crank. They make some noise but any deer within 25 yds. will be dead before it hears to react! Some good after deer season sales going on ebay. I have had both and i liked the Exocet as its faster and flatter traj. The Phoenix is no slouch and with 2216's it can stay with any of them. Lots of good info from the other folks will be forth coming.