slim pickins - yea i know thats what i was saying, i wouldnt say it was hunting, but it can be fun and good practice. i just want to justify to myself a reason for killing these things instead of saying "i just want to kill some" lol and sound like a damn savage to myself (not that it matters). if i justify it in my head (good target practice, alright eating (trying something new)) etc, then it makes me feel better about killing them b/c atleast they are dieing for some cause you know, not just to kill them. also, which is kind of evil i guess lol, i would love to put some in my hunting photo album. im gonna try to fill it up with as many different animals as possible, i could have shot a red fox today, but i couldnt b/c i had a Ml and was deer hunting. thanks for the help buddy, it eases my mind a little to think other people shoot them in the backyard as well as me. when you shoot them in you yard, is your yard like humongousor do you live on a farm...? i live in a tight little community, but im sure shooting a bow in my back yard is appropriate - i hope, right? lol thanks again