Patience Grasshopper..... you will.[8D][8D] WE all have or will. Mine was a new climber that I bought at a show in Harrisburg before they hit the stores. They pulled it off the market before they did. Mine had a catastopic collapse the first time deep into the Adirondacks 3/4 of a mile from the road.I had practiced with it in the yard 3 or 4 times. Thank God I was younger and was at least wearing a safety belt. All that happened was I got my chain jerked, the wind knocked out of me and left me hanging sideways 12 feet up. I got zero cooperation from the manufacturer. It was junk.[&:] THe rest of your comments I can relate to. ...OH, and my Dad's tougher than your Dad.[8D]