Its hard to kill a pope and young in any state. Some states raise them better than others. In Kansas you get one ANTLERED deer permit. Say it out loud with me. ONE. Our state herd is est. around 350,000. Thats one of the lowest numbers of deer population in the country. Knowing that you get only one buck per season most hunters here hold out for either a large rack or a muture big body to fill their freezers. This lets the little guys walk therefore leaving a quality herd. No need to raise the P&Y system.