Thanks for all the replies. I don't think the patriot is going to fit my goals. It is a great shooting bow and if I just wanted a 3D bow, it would be my choice. The extreme VTF would be another option but the brace height is a little under my minuim of 7&quot;.I did get the new catalog for the 2003 Bowtech's and the mighty mite will be the same with the exception of the hush package and they will have the infinity cam which will not be an extra charge this year(I think). I found a 2002 mighty mite at a great price and since I can buy the infinity cam if needed, it would make sence to save some money. Of all the bows I shot , the mighty mite just said,we are ment for each other.I am not tring to start anything, as this is just MY opinion,but I shot the Mathews bows after the Bowtechs and I really think they have caught Mathews and road up the road a little ways<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Don



Edited by - doninva on 12/12/2002 19:53:59