You know, I want me a 22hornet. My father in law has a nice old one, and every year he pulls it out of the cabinet, we shoot it, and I could swear he is going to say, "why don't you take home with ya", but again it didn't happen. I have seen guys shot groundhogs with a .17 rimfire, and we never could find em. Sure they died, but I have shot a bunch with 22mags, under 40 yards, and always find em. but I wouldnt' mind to have 17 either.