I guess it really depends on what county you're going to hunt in. Some guys have seen a lot of nice bucks where they live. I live in Pike county. I consider myself an average deer hunter. I don't expect to see 30 deer a day but I can tell you there aren't very many deer left where we hunt on public land. Hardly any tracks, rubs or scrapes. There are deer just not many. When you have to sit a week for your kid to kill a button buck during rifle season things are pretty bad.I would just like to see them seperate doe and buck season and I think it would make a big difference. Most guys aren't going to take off to doe hunt unless they have kids that didn't get a deer.