Ha nksmfamip: I wish I was capable of shooting 1000 yards, unfortunately I am not. I always like to shoot heavy for caliber bullets in my rifle. I shoot 180's in the 300 WSM, and I actually shot 200's in a 300 Win Mag PSS. On the PSS I had one of the 8.5 X 25 LR Leupolds, and did not have any shims. I did not run out with this scope.

Our range is 540 yards. This is where I was close to the bottom with the other 2 scopes. The 6.5 X 20 was one of the older one inch models. It was not one of the LR's. I just bought one of the 6.5 X 20 X 40 scopes for my next Hogging project. It has side focus, and 30mm tube. It is also a VH reticle. I should be fine there.

On the Burris I was pretty sure(according to their chart)I was going to be out of adjustment, so I added the 5 minute rings before I even mounted the scope.

If you look on the web sites you can find how many MOA's of adjustment that the scope has built in. The Burris's, at the time had less than the Leupold's. even comparing one inch tube to one inch tube. A tech for Leupold once told me that you should not shoot the crosshairs when they are adjusted all the way out. He told me that it is not good to bottom out your adjustments. So I felt it prudent that when I was approaching the limit of adjustment, to shim, rather than take a chance.

So to slightly ammend my post. I did not completely bottom out my scopes officially, I would not do that to a scope. But I am 90 % sure that I was real close. I base this on the mfrs. charts of adjustment. As the Leupold tech told me on the phone when I called him. I remember his comment was "Now remember, half your adjustment is for drop down, and the other half is for rise". He said their reticles are designed to be shipped, and shot in the center of the scope, and the center of adjustment. Not at the edges, or outside limits. Tom.