ORIGINAL: bowkill144
Doc
Good responce you seem to have the numbers. If I was willing to shoot 1.5 year old bucks I would have killed 2 every year in the last 5 years maybe longer.This is the same with the other 2 guys I hunt with as well. Thenieghborsnear ourone camp shoot on average 5 bucks a yearwith only 3 of them hunting. Most of the guys that I know that hunt private property that are willing to shoot young bucks shoot more than one buck a year on average. I think the DEC does not have good numbers mostly because these people hunting private land are proccessing there own deer and I do not think they are reporting many if any deer taken. I also belive that some guys fill other hunters buck tags so it may look like they both shot one buck each in reality one hunter may have shot two. I know this reporting thing is a problem and I dont blame the DEC for it but it gos back tothe hunter mentality of not working towards a better deer herd. Also if it would not effect but a few hunters to make it a one buck rule why not change it. On the propertys I am invovled in we have a one buck rule in place and it most be at least a 2.5 year old or better to shoot and if you shoot a button buck by accident you have to take a mature doe before you can shoot another buck. These rules are all well and good but with competeing with the nieghbors we are lucky to shoot one 2.5 year old every 3 or more years. We spend a lot of time and money on equipment, food plots, tree stands, timber harvest, trail camerasand fruit tree work for not much pay back. I am not saying we should hold everybody to this standard but some change is needed. If the hunter attitude does not change or there are some rules changed then anybody thinking of QDM, food plots and all the other stuff had better keep there expectations low or just save there money for something else.
I think you hit the nail on the head, and came up with the answers in the process. The guys that harvest two bucks legally do so from 2 out of the three Big Game seasons (early archery, regular, extended). If you have guys harvesting two during regular season, or two during archery/ extended, then what are the chances of that law working, too? Answer - NONE.
Guys filling other hunters tags is illegal, and the only way to change hunter attitude in this scenario is to enforce the law. If we know people who do this, complain about needing a one buck rule, but do nothing about stopping the known illegal activities, is one not also guilty of some sort of complacency to the real issue?
In terms of legal harvest, those legally harvesting two bucks per season are so small in comparison to the overall hunter numbers, it isn't worth it.
The balance of what you speak of is truly poaching, and is illegal, and the only way to stopthat is through aggressive enforcement with some serious help from concerned and involved hunters...
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