Thanx again Rob. But no Mathews for me it isn't that I dislike the bows it is just a couple of my friends shoot them and they brag about them so much that I don't even want to pick one up. Funny thing is not one of them have killed a deer with their bows. But my old Merlin has knocked down quite a few. Now wait I am not trying to get you Mathews guys fired up I am just stating my reasons for not trying a Mathews. I am sure they are awesome bows just not for me.