Sorry I didnt getback to you guys. My puter went down, lost my job [ cut backs ] Have new job and I will be getting the puter up and going soon, Im on a freinds lab top right now.I shot a fairly nice 10pt on oct 6, not real wide 14" but tall. I willp0st a picture as soon as I get my puter set up.Im sure some one else took my spot by now.Next year,again my apologies for not getting back to you.