Thanks for the info sabotloader, like I said, I dont have any problems with them personally in my new gun.I used a short starter for a lot of years now starting with my old sidelock and round balls so its more force of habit then any actual loading problems on my part.

The other guy doesnt have a tight barrel, just has a hell of a time getting his bullet started straight, I never actually shot with him so Im not sure what hes doing wrong in that department.