ORIGINAL: duramaxnay6

Get the Savage. I bought the model 10fp .223. It has a shorter barrel than the model 12and it has a matte black barrel. Plus you get the Accutrigger and an awsome Savage barrel. A savage with a regular sporter barrel is a great deal and a very good shooter also. I have heard a lot of mixed stuff on the Howa. Saying it is essentially a Weatherby Vangaurd isn't saying much either. I don't know whatweatherby is trying to say about the 1 1/2" 3 shot 100yard group. I would be pissed with a group like that. I got a 1" group with my savage with the first box I broke the barrel in with. I shoot 1/2" groups all day long with my first batch of reloads.