I appreciate the responses. I will definately get some ballets and have her start with those. With the positive responses to Black Jack Hill I will have to get some rounds from there as well and give them a try. At some point I definately want her shooting something a little larger than the ballet. I have no doubt that taking an elk with one is possible, but I prefer to give her as much margin for error as possible. And at what Black Jack Hill is charging the REAL conicals or Maxiballs could definately be a target round that she can also use to take elk if they work as advertised.