Thanks for the info, this is the best forum I have ever found, there's an answer for everything. Looks like I'm just going to keep on saving up for that scope. I figure I can't half azz this. It's just wrong to have a top of the line gun with a cheap scope,,,, optics are so important. I think I'm just going to stick with my 30/30 and finish pimpin my weatherby 7 mag for next season. Thanks again, and happy holidays all.