well, good news is it looks like i'm gettin an omega too. on of my buddies makes about 30k a year and lives with his grandparents and likes to buy on impulse. he purchased a new omega non-thumbhole tried it a couple times claims 'i thought it'd be cool but muzzleloaders are too much work i hate that crap, you can have it for $150' to which i said 'sweeeeet!' i guess it'll be a T/C family for me, maybe next year when i get abit more involved in muzzleloading I will shoot for an Encore.