I never have got a real good solid look at him but he is well over boone i know that. I'll tell ya next year when he's hangin off my loader. Ya it gets pretty poor the last few days when the pressure is on to fill tags, we have alot of snow up my ways so lots of guys have already shutter down for the year. I bought my 17hmr from that fellow about 2-3 years ago at the gun show in saskatoon seemed like an ok guy. He threw in a hat for me because we were having a heck of a time on the phone registering it.