I have killed 3 deer with a bow in the past 2 years. ( My entire bowhunting career to date) All of them came out of an oak grove that protrudes into a pasture. The grove measures 100yds by 40yds. and I see deer there more than anywhere else on the 400 acre lease. Last year I got a doe from the ground. This year I blew an opportunity at a nice 8pt from the ground. I get in the trees now and have taken another doe and a spike this year.