SBGobbler, I have to agree with you and some of the others. If your shooting from a treestand and you are between the shoulders and the hip and above the bottom of the brisket bone and below the spine you have a dead deer. I too believe "no mans land" was created to make up for bad situations that just didn't work out. I've tracked and butchered more than 100 big game animals that were bow shot and too many times I've had the archer tell me the shot was right in the boiler room only to find out it was above the spine, in front of the shoulder, low through the leg etc.. A lot can happen upon the release of an arrow and nobody wants to ever admit that things just didn't work out the way they wanted.