sound nocternal to me...best bet is a well planned drive...not just posting and driving whereever...they become big bucks beacause they outsmart everybody and when people walk in right by them they hold tight and run when needed but are way to sneaky to be caught...think like a buck...where woukd YOU go if you were being hunted because of a rack on your head for 2 weeks a year by highpowered rifles? i kicked out a monster 6 pt in a field once that you wouldnt think a ribbit could hide in and not be seen...i never seen it until i was 10 ft away and he was gone...i could have dropped him but i would also dropped a guy in the background too...so i had to pass...think like a big buck!