Thanks MassBowhunter for the reply,my thoughts exactly,i figire with the amount of signs i am seeing these deer would be up for a good fight,i figure food is the last thing on these bucks mind right now even though the food is plentifull,corn and acorns are alot of,the doe i shot was packed full of corn because of a field down the hill from which i hunt off of i am thinking that the morning moutain downdrafts might be hurting me,but there are way to many signs to ignore this spot.