He is using 120gr of RS pyrodex a win 209 [standard] MMP HPH24 sabotwith a 250 gr XTP and he's getting 1.5 to 2inch groups with a 2 power scope. Its a new gun bought in late Oct. and so far he has taken one nice [8 pt ] buck with it but says hes going to try and switch to APP so as to eliminate the cleaning when its cold. Lee