My point in responding to this post was that I have not seen these actions described by many. I believe hunters are a cross-section of society and include all types. The vast majority of the ones I've met have been decent people, though. They're the ones who have helped drag a deer, chatted about the hunting, and even offered to share a lunch or drink. Not all were good hunters, but they, like me were out enjoying a day away from work and everyday stresses. Maybe I'm simply fortunate to hunt in an area just inaccessible enough that only those really serious about the sport would travel. Perhaps if I lived near more urban areas with higher hunter densities I would feel differently. I don't question that these actions really happened, but I don't think we are helping our cause by taking these events and painting so many hunters with the same brush. Is it really the majority of hunters who commit these acts? I seriously doubt that these same people are also reading these posts and will change their ways. I think we're more likely to leave a non-hunter with a sour taste about hunting, or reinforce an anti-hunter's opinion than change any person's actions. I've checked out PETA's website and was incensed by their statements. I'm sure some of them check out our sites as well. On the other hand, we do need the opportunity to vent and gain reassurance that there are other good, like-minded sportsmen out there who are enraged by the actions of slobs. I just don't believe that there are as many slobs as this thread would suggest