skeeter another thing is to if the boys get a good bow that they shoot well and get a bit of success with they will use it more and more for things other than elk. I got mine for strictly elk but have killed a muley around stoon, wt buck, chased moose , a few grouse etc. It seems to snowball the more success you have. That may help convince a few of them to cut open the matress and make the purchase.