Greg I know the one your talking about now, it sold for like under 10 bucks! I used to shoot a 93# Jennings Elephant bow with the 2 Finger Stans, My Index finger got as big as a Ball Park hot Dog, It's still a little bigger than the other one! tsoc thats the same way I shoot the Thumb Release, using back tenchion, moveing the release into the Thumb.