Pglasqow-As I stated, the load kills at both ends. It is not the load that I shoot every day in the rifle. However it is the load that I hunt with. I have shot two elk with this load. Neither elk went over 30 yards. You could tell that they were truly sick when the bullet hit them. Both were good behind the shoulder shots. It brings the blood to my hand about every time I shoot it. I also would not recommend the load to anyone, I believe I am overloading the rifle. It definitely kicks considerably harder than my 45-70's. I cast a 405 grain bullet for it. Thanks for your stats. I knew the load was stout, but truly did not realize it was that stout. The velocity was chronographed around one foot from the end of the barrel. I have a 45-70 load(405) grain that comes out at 1850 fps. It is also a very stout load. My normal load for the 45-70 comes out about 1350 fps. Tom.