bigcountry, thanks for the reply. Been out defending our country. I think you may be on to something. The accuracy wasn't what I expected although the velocity was good (3680 fps). Thinking about going to 90g of 4350. Hunting this week end with 150 NBT and 87g of 4350 and 9 1/2M. Think it would help going with the 90g of 4350 (125 NBT) or is it a lost cause?