I think I have to agree w/Dave. In fact I sent him a PM yesterday asking about Harvester Crush Rib sabots because my new ML is hard as crap to load.I've shot dozens upon dozens of MLs and so I think I have a pretty good idea of whata "hard to load" ML is. I don't mind hearing people complain about it. What it tells me is that they are interested in fooling around w/them to make their ML experience better. That's better to me thanto hear them say "These things are hard to load" and someone say "you're just lazy" then they never want to shoot them again. When if someonewould just help them out and find a better matching sabot/bullet combo they'd probably enjoy it a lot more and consider goingout in the woods during ML season rather than staying at home.Just MHO.