Well now looks like we have come full circle on this playing field! I'll throw in my nickle just so i say a few words. To each person there is limit to how fer they will shoot at game! Deers are very jumpy and uptight, so my self imposed limit is 35 yds. if all is in my favor! Not 50 not 45 and not 40 as my CB is too slow, but (35) Thirty five yards and thats a fer piece out there thru all that brush trees and limbs![:-]