Its pretty much been said already by a few guys. When I go out during Ohio's guns season I aim just like an arrow. Double lung = dead deer! The shoulder works but sometimes they can still go for awhile but it works good. I shot my first Gun deer last year with my ML, all of my other deer have been with a CB. I was going for a double lung but the deer was at a more of a quarter shot then I thought and it exited on the shoulder side. I had to toss about all of the meat in the shoulder. I will still try for lung shots.