LMAO Mossy you're killing me Lithium or Prozac time SwampCollie I do a little bit of reloading but just dont have rthe time right now to do it the way I want. I have been considering loading some of the 120 TSX's for deer. I was curious as to how they would perfrom at the less than magnum velocities our guns see. Thanks for the info. BTW The core-junks have grouped better than anything so far in my adl...always right under an inch. I was thinking the 120's driven to around 3000-3050 would add a little flatness without loosing penetration compared to the factory loads. However I dont get paid to think Thanks again for the info!