One thing I learned on this trip was the patience to sit in one high spot and glass for hours, and lug that spotting scope around. After the first 3 I was kind of bored and thought I'd never spot anything after most of the deer bedded at 9 AM. I even fell asleep up there for an hour. However I kept at it and lo and behold, finally saw this group. The critters were so far away I could barely make them out with my spotting scope. Background snow allowed me to see them. They were extremely active for mid-day, chasing. I watched my buck tear up somebrush making a rub. The bucks were fighting too. I sat and scoped until I identified every deer in that quakie grove. This kind of hunting is now really appealing to me. I hope to return and try this some more someday.