thanx guys..i still feel like a kid on christmas! lol...wimp even if they dont ahve teeth on the front top it had none other then the front bottom...no molars at all just the few tiny teeth in the front bottom...skeeter..i have alot to learn in that year...im going to try to find my own spot in the area so me and dad can go togheter and meet up later so im not beside him..i mean i love being with my dad but i gota learn sooner or later and i know he will take deer instead of letting me for now on...the way that buck was i had to move on it to shot it and its head was behing a tree all i seen was a half of the rack and touched off..he said the deer needed another step ad it was his all he seen was a head..now i definently know i get no more breaks...i plan to start bow hunting this coming fall too..so i got alot to learn in a year! thanx guys...you all got me to stick with it on the buck hunting and gave me some good tips and when things were looking down i just thought about some posts about how when that happens something bigs abotu to happen...a few times i thought the day was ruined...but it definently wasnt...best day in my life!