i'll be buying an Apex in about 2-3 weeks. I already own the winchester x-150 and its awesome. Zero problems. And for the camostock/ stainless steel barrel for $230, its a steal. Alot of people are still crying junk at cva/bpi for the old cva apollo barrel bursting problems and cant get a grip and move on. I havnt even found any reports about any new cva/bpi exploding. So therefore theylabel any riflewith a barrel made in spain "junk" Every muzzleloader on the market has issues thatneed to be worked out and so far, cva took care of the barrel problems or maybe i havnt seen any reports lately. But i love my winny, best money ive spent.The winchester for that price in an excellent deal. I'll be buying a $430 rifle for $230. How much more of a deal can you ask for lol.