A note on the Summit climber. I have a 2004 model Summit Goliath. I'm a big guy and this thing accomodates me very well! I absolutely love it for it's ease of operation, comfort, stability,sturdy constructionand quietness.Being constructed of light weight aluminum is a bonus too! Don't mistake the aluminum for not being rugged, this thing is solid. If I was going to buy another climber tomorrow it would be a Summit Goliath. This is basically the same model as the viper, but has a 350 lbs weight rating. I know I probably sound like a Summit salesman. I assure you I am not, I just love my climber that much! I harvested one deer in 04 and two in 05 from this climber. I'm still working on my 06 harvest. Good luck to all and I hope this info helps!!